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FLIG 11:32 Sat Nov 21
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Why not swap the funding arrangements round?
IE fund public services and use cake sales, charity shops, fun runs etc to raise money for Trident
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After8
6:11 Mon Nov 23
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Darlo
No, that's when they are a deterrent. If the threat becomes great it's the ultimate insurance policy.
And as for Russia, I'm not sure what your point is. We allied with them against the Germans as they were the immediate threat then the Russians became the biggest threat.
You have to deal with the world as it is, not as it should be.
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Darlo Debs
10:19 Sun Nov 22
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but then as soon as they start seriously becoming a threat that needs a nuclear response, then trident is no longer a deterrent.
Also with the way things are going in Syria, we may have to side with Russia against ISIS. What a mess.
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After8
9:53 Sun Nov 22
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Debs, you do realise that our nuclear weapons are currently delivered by trident don't you?
Or do you think we have bombs in a stockpile somewhere that our raf can just drop on people?
And we are facing threats that can be tackled with a nuclear bomb. We have Russia. We have an expanding China. We have a dictator in North Korea and we have the Iranians wanting a nuclear bomb too.
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Darlo Debs
9:48 Sun Nov 22
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No A8 I am not.
I genuinely wouldn't feel unsafe without trident as I don't think we are facing a threat that can be tackled with a nuclear bomb. Also as I think it was Infidel who mentioned we already have enough nuclear weaponry to do serious damage, without adding trident to it.
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After8
9:47 Sun Nov 22
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I think you're find alpha they'd like nothing more than to have one of their own.
Btw do you support military action against Isis?
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After8
9:46 Sun Nov 22
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No frankly they aren't. Japan is at risk of North Korea bombing it or China. Germany is at risk if the Russins invaded Eastern Europe.
Btw both the German and Japanese governments have been reducing public spending. The Germans have also imposed austerity on Southern Europe. The Japanese have a plan to return to having a surplus by 2020 after racking up massive debts and realising they are not sustainable.
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Westside
9:40 Sun Nov 22
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Japan not safe then? Neither of them have a nuclear arsenal.
Would the wicked yanks have nuked the Japs in 1945 if they had nuclear weapons?
Hitler had WMD'd in the form of nerve gas. Even he didn't use them as he was deterred by payment in kind, we had our own stocks of poision gas.
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alphaharps
3:44 Sun Nov 22
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Lol that's not true is it A8. Isis do not worry about a nuclear bomb
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ray winstone
10:47 Sun Nov 22
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After8 wrote...
The bomb keeps you safe debs.
Are Germany and Japan not safe then? Neither of them have a nuclear arsenal.
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After8
7:34 Sun Nov 22
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The bomb keeps you safe debs. That's the harsh reality. It's a question of priorities, no one likes cutting public spending but even have to admit it has got out of control. We spend over 240 billion a year on welfare including pensions, then it's health and then it's our debt repayments.
I for one would rather we closed the deficit and started to borrow less money, then we'd spend less on debt payments and more on public services Or the radical idea of giving people more of their own money and cutting taxes.
But you know all of this. You're not stupid.
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Darlo Debs
10:44 Sat Nov 21
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whufcroe....I am not actually saying we should scrap Trident (and deffo do not agree with Shadow chancellor on scrapping M15 etc).
Just making the point that people who argue for cuts to essential public services, always seem to be ok with finding money for bombs.
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Hasans Fish Bar RIP
6:54 Sat Nov 21
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That would be three routes actually maniac. Marylebone to brum too
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Sir Alf
6:50 Sat Nov 21
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We unfortunately have to have a deterrent, I am sad to say it is still necessary as it first was. :-(
Its like having a large fvck off dog in your house. Puts burglers and muggers off coming near your gaff.
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WHOicidal Maniac
6:42 Sat Nov 21
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Infidel 6:36 Sat Nov 21
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"The government is about to spend £80bn - the same cost as renewing Trident - on a completely unnecessary second railway between London, Birmingham and Leeds. Who on earth has two railways linking two cities only 100 miles apart ?"
That I agree with.
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Infidel
6:36 Sat Nov 21
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Debs
The government is about to spend £80bn - the same cost as renewing Trident - on a completely unnecessary second railway between London, Birmingham and Leeds. Who on earth has two railways linking two cities only 100 miles apart ?
It is spending £12bn a year on throwing cash at African dictators, which they promptly steal and send to Switzerland.
A colossal waste of money.
Renewing Trident will keep you and your children safe from a nuclear attack for the next 25 years, in almost any change of regime imaginable in any of the nuclear capable countries.
So yes, it's about priorities.
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WHOicidal Maniac
6:23 Sat Nov 21
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Infidel 4:16 Sat Nov 21
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"It just about sums up the mentality of people who think we should scrap Trident though.
They can't get their heads around the very simple concept of mutually assured destruction."
What a fucking wonderful way to live our lives...
So the only thing that stops Korea from launching Nukes at us is the fact that they might get one or two back?...
Also why has no one addressed the legality of this?
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whufcroe
4:47 Sat Nov 21
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The shadow chancellor reckoned it was a good idea to disarm the police and disband MI5
Loons fucking everywhere that seems to want to not protect their land.
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Darlo Debs
4:41 Sat Nov 21
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The pertinent question here is infidel is why we need that many. You started a thread on our deficit and borrowing, but don't seem to mind that spending being done on the purchase of the means of destruction.
I guess its about priorities eh?
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Infidel
4:16 Sat Nov 21
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It just about sums up the mentality of people who think we should scrap Trident though.
They can't get their heads around the very simple concept of mutually assured destruction.
The one thing that prevented WW III - and will continue to keep us safe from attack by any other nuclear power - is our ability to destroy essentially all living things in their country.
The poster who said we are only 1.5% of the total world stock of nuclear weapons is equally myopic. The destructive power of the Trident missile system is almost beyond imagination. A strike from these weapons would vaporise Iran or North Korea, leaving nothing but a nuclear desert.
These weapons are not remotely like the tiny bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. One Trident missile alone would have more than 50 times the explosive yield of the one dropped on Hiroshima - and we have about 60 of them.
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whufcroe
4:15 Sat Nov 21
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"Nuclear deterrent.Isn't a deterrent.!"
Of course it is
Nobody knows what the world will be like in 5, 10, 20 years and having Nuclear weapons puts you in a strong position as it deters anyone from attacking you with a Nuclear weapon.
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sidneyshitcunt
4:02 Sat Nov 21
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What is sarcasm? ( ;-) )
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